Don’t Everybody Cry at Once
Tucker’s finally going to have to find a real job.
Insiders tell TVNewser Tucker Carlson’s 6pmET show Tucker is getting the axe, but Carlson stays on as a political contributor to all MSNBC shows at least through the 2008 election. The official announcement, expected tomorrow, will include details about who will replace Tucker at 6pmET as well as other political programming additions. Sources say the network is going to beef up its schedule with more NBC News talent.
The article alludes to an unnamed “new project” that will be taking Tucker’s slot. Could this at long last be the Rachel Maddow show?
132 Responses to “Don’t Everybody Cry at Once”
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 6:34 pm |
Oh please, let it be Rachel. Please please please.
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 6:35 pm |
Oh, and for Tucker, may I suggest bow tie salesman at the GAP?
By madmommy on Mar 9, 2008 6:39 pm |
Oh, how cool would this be? She has got so much more going for her than that little dweeb Tucker. She’s smart, has a grasp of reality, facts to back up her arguments, and she wears cute glasses. Tucker has…well, he, um…wait, I’ll think of something, just give me a minute…
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 6:40 pm |
According to MSNBC, Bush sang at the Gridiron Club today.
GordonM said
Meaning, I assume, that he’s named his ranch in Paraguay “Texas”.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 6:47 pm |
Oh, I’d love to see Rachel get her own TV show.
By hwmnbn on Mar 9, 2008 6:53 pm |
I guess his dad’s clout couldn’t save his no-talent ass anymore. tsk, tsk.
I think I’ll watch his show tomorrow just to see if he whines about it.
By sharonlee on Mar 9, 2008 7:06 pm |
hwmnbn said
I can’t bring myself to watch. Will someone live-blog it, please?
By Suzanne on Mar 9, 2008 7:07 pm |
wonder if this is due to his loose lips spilling the beans about the subservient nature of our 4th estate to those in power.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:09 pm |
Hello, friends.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:13 pm |
Just wondering if I am the only Clinton supporter here.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:16 pm |
okay, now I am wondering if I am the only person here?
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 7:19 pm |
Big Mitch said
Probably, at least since she started campaigning for McCain.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 7:24 pm |
hi mitch
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:27 pm |
Okay, Gordon, you have a good point there. Especially when she followed up by suggesting that she might pick Obama for VP.
By darkblack on Mar 9, 2008 7:28 pm |
“Why me? Why did my hackalicious media career live so long? I’ll tell you why…Because I’m a dancer!”
;>)
By newdealfarmgrrrlll on Mar 9, 2008 7:29 pm |
a Rachel Maddow show? I’d consider starting to watch TV again if that happens.
*ndfg waves at Big Mitch* not exactly a Clinton supporter here, but i do like a lot of things about her. I’ll vote for her over any Republican i can think of. I do get annoyed at Hillary-haters, the dyed-in-the-wool Rethug type. First i was for Dodd, then Edwards, now i think i’ve kinda moved into the Obama camp.
By Lea (no uh) on Mar 9, 2008 7:29 pm |
Yeah, the endorsement of McCain rather annoyed me too.
By Lea (no uh) on Mar 9, 2008 7:31 pm |
I’m not overjoyed with either of them but I think either of them would be ok and infinitely better than any Rethug.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:31 pm |
ndfg: I may be working on the longest streak in history of picking losers. I’ve given the kiss of death to Dodd, Edwards, Kucinich. And that is just this election cycle. But it is Hillary’s turn. Either to be President or to get the Big Mitch kiss of death. Time will tell.
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 7:32 pm |
Lea (no uh) said
And at this point, she’s effectively done it twice. Sorry, Hillary, I’m not impressed.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:36 pm |
“Hillary Clinton has won states with about 260 electoral votes. Barack Obama has won states with about 190. And we decide the presidency not by a popular vote, we decide it by the electoral vote.”
according to her supporter, Ed Randell on Meet Teh Press.
By newdealfarmgrrrlll on Mar 9, 2008 7:39 pm |
one thing i like about Hillary is that she’s survived some pretty vicious slander by the Rethugs over the years, however, i don’t like seeing her campaign resort to some of those types of tactics. Attack the Rethugs, not our own.
By musicsleuth on Mar 9, 2008 7:41 pm |
I just got a nasty push poll from Hillary today — only pushes me further in the Obama camp. Sorry.
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 7:42 pm |
Big Mitch said
Of course, that assumes that Obama voters are going to stay home and let McCain take it if their man doesn’t win. Seems an unlikely outcome given the low popularity of the policies McCain exemplifies.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 7:43 pm |
EvilDrPuma said
actually, three times
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 7:45 pm |
Betsy said
I missed one? Aw, nuts. Did she manage to imply again that McCain was a better choice than she was?
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 7:47 pm |
almost identical quote edp
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 7:49 pm |
Big Mitch said
Check out SurveyUSA. There’s another in depth analysis on DKos that comes to similar conclusions.
Remember that HRC and the DLC hated Dean’s 50 state strategy. Well, Dean was right.
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 7:52 pm |
Betsy said
More the fool she is.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:52 pm |
If the election were held today, McCain would lose to either candidate. However, Obama has a larger electoral vote margin. Undortunately, for him to win, he has to take Virginia. He is ahead there, but only at the level of the third decimal point. (i.e. McCain and Obama are tied 47-47%.)
Hillary wins in the electoral college decisively, too. She is comfortably ahead in enough states to win the election.
As between Hillary and Barack: they have an approximate tie in the popular vote as of today. 1/2 of one tenth of a percent separates them.
Obama may win a caucus in Wyoming, but that does not change anything in the electoral college map.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 7:56 pm |
One thing that really frosts me is to hear eveyone saying that Hillary wants to over-turn the will of the people, by relying on super-delegates. Those are the rules. And they exist for a good reason.
Another thing is that she is accused of breaking the rules by wanting the Florida voters have their votes counted. Did she campaing in Florida? No. (Obama ran a TV add there, but said he couldn’t help himself because it was part of a big media buy.)
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 7:56 pm |
i have a feeling a lot of repubs are going to flip to the dem side for the general
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 7:58 pm |
Betsy said
We’ll see. I keep seeing reports about McCain’s intra-party popularity being less than stellar, but these people are pretty used to lining up to jump off the cliff.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 8:00 pm |
You are right Betsy, but not enough to put Wyoming in play.
OTOH, enough will switch to put your own state in play, and, if I recall, Hillary won the popular vote there.
OBama won the caucuses, but I fail to see why that is more democratic than super-delegates.
I am just saying.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 8:00 pm |
EvilDrPuma said
well you did promise them there’d be water at the bottom, right?
By peanutbutter on Mar 9, 2008 8:03 pm |
I don’t have a vested interest in either candidate. However, my fear is the Dems will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory the longer this campaign drags on.
And that’s why Clinton’s endorsement of McCain enrages me, as well.
Come November I will vote Democrat. I only hope it’s not in vain. And it pisses me off that that’s the mode I’m in.
By musicsleuth on Mar 9, 2008 8:03 pm |
GordonM said
This is a big point. Not only does Obama win in more states, but by wide-enough margins that he can weather a couple of losses and still come out ahead. Of course, this is still March and not November.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 8:05 pm |
peanutbutter said
On that topic, Cassie had this up today: http://frecklescassie.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/lta080306.gif
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 8:10 pm |
good news:
Cal State U forced to re-hire Quaker math teacher who inserted “non-violently” into loyalty oath
from Boing Boing by Cory Doctorow
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 8:11 pm |
I am not so sure that the Dems are hurting themselves with this debate. After all, they get free airtime for their debates, and the candidates are getting themselves more well known.
If I ruled the world, I would make them campaign on one issue only: Who can be meaner to pro-torture John McCain?
Me ruling the world: not such a bad idea, now that I think of it.
By sharonlee on Mar 9, 2008 8:11 pm |
My right-wing, conservative sister does not like McCain. I don’t believe she will vote for him. But she won’t vote for either Obama or Clinton. May be one of those skip that line on the ballot.
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 8:15 pm |
Betsy said
Good, to the extent that anything involving a loyalty oath can be good.
By EvilDrPuma on Mar 9, 2008 8:16 pm |
sharonlee said
She can always vote for Nader.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 8:17 pm |
Betsy said
Bad news:
California has loyalty oaths.
By sharonlee on Mar 9, 2008 8:18 pm |
IANAL, however, did I hear Bush correctly in his comments on vetoing the (Non)torture bill that he admitted that we have used some of these methods–methods that are outlawed by laws and treaties? Does that mean he has entered a guilty plea?
By Petrocelli on Mar 9, 2008 8:22 pm |
*sniff* *sniff* … So long F*cker … I hope that “well mannered Stoat” finds a good home … these bloggers won’t have anyone to kick around, except for JoeScar, Tweety, Pat, Hannity, Beck, Rush … (/snark)
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 8:23 pm |
Big Mitch said
If you consider not wanting the people to select another McGovern a “good reason”.
Big Mitch said
FL is complex, since it was the R legislature that changed the primary date, knowing that would disenfranchise the Ds. Obama talked to the network (MSNBC I think), but they don’t have a separate feed for FL. Clinton held plenty of “fundraisers” in FL leading up to their faux primary.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 8:24 pm |
Everyone criticizes Hillary’s campaign against Obama, but what about Obama’s campaign against her? He has put it out there that she was in favor of this war. That’s not exaclty true.
The object of the enterprise (the passage of the Authorization to Use Force) was to convince Obama that Bush had the authority and was crazy enough to wage war. Then, it was hoped, Saddam would do what we wanted.
He didn’t because he thought that the American saber-rattling was a bluff, according to what he told CIA interrogators before he was hanged. Why did he think it was a bluff? Who knows but dissent in this country may have emboldened him to recklessly refuse to comply with American demands. The war came, and it maybe more Obama’s fault than Hillary’s.
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 8:27 pm |
Big Mitch said
Well, that’s pretty silly of Ed Randell to be putting that “funneh math” out there. The states Hillary has won in the primary don’t translate to her winning them in the general. As an example, Arizona. That’s Mccains hands down. No question.
More importantly, at this point, the mathmatical wizards at the clinton campaign need to be working on counting pledged delegates and get a firmer grasp on the fact they are not winning. I think she could gain some ground by going with the reality instead of playing some “Fantasy Election” game counts.
I don’t know about the other states they’re claiming they can beat john mccain in but AZ is not one. Also, they base alot of their talk on their own polls. We’ve seen how far off the polls in general this time have been and based on their applying the same old conventional constraints cannot be predicted. I don’t think they can predict based on polls quite with the certainty that was in the past.
I question their ability to work with, or even recognize, the new reality of this primary data. They were the predictors of practically a cake walk for hillary’s campaign. The reality doesn’t reflect that. They were also the predictors, as evidenced by their lack of financial planning, that hillary wouldn’t need to do much after Super Tuesday so that was unplanned.
No, I don’t think much of their seeing the reality of the clinton candidacy and, even now, their constant denial of the reality that she’s not the incumbent front runner.
I don’t know anything about Ed Randell specifically so I’m not calling him out in particular, just an overall observation of how they’ve operated the Clintons’ candidacy and campaign.
No, I’m not a hillary supporter and I’m not banging on you personally because you are supporting your candidate. I am banging on the dlc/terry mcauliff candidates….. with good reason: The delegate voting we’ve seen does not translate into electoral votes.
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 8:28 pm |
Big Mitch said
History. When one party has the nomination settled, but the other fights up to the convention, the first party wins.
And Clinton is going one better. With the 3 AM ad, she makes “national security” the number 1 issue. Which she cedes to McCain (well, Mark Penn was explicit about it, but consider the evidence she cited of her foreign policy experience - by that measure, Sinbad, Sheryl Crow, Chelsea and Bjork all are qualified to be CiC.)
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 8:30 pm |
Gordon, I loved McGovern, and I still have an election poster for him in my house. However, I am thinking it would have been a good thing if someone had beat Nixon in the election.
Clinton did not campaign in Florida. Both candidates raised funds in Florida. Obama probably gets a pass for campaigning, for the reasons you stated, but I still don’t get where is the justification for the allegation that Hillary cheated, or wants to change the rules. The thing that would be a disaster is if Florida voters are disenfranchised by the Dem. party.
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 8:30 pm |
Big Mitch said
Got your Hussein’s confused again, did you?
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 8:37 pm |
Big Mitch said
She cast her vote with “conviction”. Votes are not to play games of manipulation with. That’s for negotiators. When it comes to voting. She’s defended it many many times. Additionally, where were either of the clintons when we needed someone from our party to come out and call bush on this insanity. I saw it was bullshit from my own living room in this small town. We knew he would do Iraq long before 9/11 and we knew why. Even daddy bush knew it was insane for Americans to do Iraq in this fashion. I expect my party elders, my party representatives in Congress to be able to discern between bullshit fear mongering and reality. War is too leathal to do otherwise.
She didn’t do that. She went along with “conviction” to the war.
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 8:37 pm |
Big Mitch said
She came out of SC saying “On to Florida!”.
Superdelegates will vote how they vote. She has pushed for them to vote on loyalty. They will vote as politicians always vote, to prolong their careers. Which almost certainly means with the pledged delegates.
FL Dems need to clean their own house, then move on to clean up FL. They were disenfranchised by the R legislature, and it won’t be a big disaster at all if their primary doesn’t count. Hell, they’re used to being disenfranchised by their own R politicians.
By Big Mitch on Mar 9, 2008 8:39 pm |
Myrtle — it was I who invited this debate, so you don’t have to worry about me thinking that you are banging on me personally.
We can debate like grown-ups here. As I have said before Gordon made some good points about how Hillary was a pooh-pooh-head for making the 3:00 phone call ad, and “endorsing” McCain.
Pooh-pooh head. Now, that’s what I call debating like grown-ups.
As to Clinton math-geniuses — and I am not one — here’s what I see. Neither candidate can get to the convention with enough elected delegates to win on the first ballot. However, the MSM seems to repeat like a mantra that Hillary can’t win on elected delegates, never mentioning that neither can Obama.
By sharonlee on Mar 9, 2008 8:46 pm |
Perhaps MSNBC can pair the reporter from the Scotsman with Rachel. That would certainly be a massive upgrade in journalism and a poke in Tucker’s eye. Do I seem a bit vindictive?
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 8:55 pm |
Big Mitch said
However, no one is going to stand for the candidate being ahead in the pledged delegate count to be undermined by the supers. No one. Nothing can rip the dems apart faster than them doing that. Additionally, the party will be ripped apart by this “Dream Ticket” notion. It is being forwarded, by the clintons’ no doubt, that the dems can’t make it without them. There are plenty of children need adopted and they should stand down with this parental concern trollery that a Democratic candidate cannot stand alone with the strength necessary to defeat the pubs without them propping him up. I mean, the dlc and terry mcauliff has been front and center in the last two elections and look where going right has left us. Democrats cannot be better republicans, and yet, over and over, the DLC/mcauliff takes us there. We’ve just been experiencing that in the last week. This is how we’ve lost the last two times.
Anyway, the Clintons’ campaign needs to let the Democrats take it from here and stop thinking they are the only two people on earth that can beat the pubs. That’s just not the case. DLC for sure has proven they cannot beat the pubs. So let the past go and stay in the past.
Mitch, thanks for saying that. I’ve been officially banned at fdl for trying to have decent conversations about the elections. Its just as well because I got kind of tired of being called a “misogynist” for not being for Hillary. This is better conversation territory with the trexicans anyhoooo
So, yes, the media is playing huge games, but we do expect that. Some of it is really over the top though. Ratings. They do what they do for ratings only. That’s why we all bring other perspectives and sources to each other on blogs and such.
BTW, YAY Tucker getting CANNED!!! *happy dance*
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 9:01 pm |
Petrocelli said
….. and punkinhead….. can’t fergit how much punkinhead brings. ugh. I guess they can’t can him though since he’s the chief or somesuch.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 9:05 pm |
fdl banned you myrtle june? shit! treehouse is open
By Lea (no uh) on Mar 9, 2008 9:25 pm |
Betsy said
Seems like there’s a lot of that going on lately, doesn’t it? I spend more time at TBogg and Marcy’s when I’m there. I just read the posts anymore and skip the comments and hang out here.
By newdealfarmgrrrlll on Mar 9, 2008 9:28 pm |
myrtle june, do you comment at GNB also? it’s another fave blog of mine. Glad you’re here.
By newdealfarmgrrrlll on Mar 9, 2008 9:29 pm |
newdealfarmgrrrlll said
Lea (no uh), i pretty much do the same as you.
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 9:30 pm |
what’s GNB?
By GordonM on Mar 9, 2008 9:31 pm |
Oh, and while we’re going on about electoral maps - note that Clinton carried OH and TX based on the rural vote - all the urban areas went for Obama. In the general, the rural areas of OH and TX and likely to go R.
By newdealfarmgrrrlll on Mar 9, 2008 9:38 pm |
Betsy said
Group News Blog, i thing of them as alums of the Steve Gillard school of blogging. Love LowerManhattanite’s take-no-prisoners style. I give LM a lot of credit for targeting Guiliani before anyone else did.
erm, *ndfg blushes* excuse the somewhat double post a minute or two ago, i screwed up the edit somehow.
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 9:39 pm |
Thanks Betsy
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 9:47 pm |
ndfg - yes, I comment there at gnb some. LM rocks always and Hubris too. tlg tooooo
Yes, they’re the official Steve alums. Glad to see you when you post there too ndfg.
Just to be up front: I am adamantly opposed to the clintons’ campaign. I was for Edwards and, since he dropped out, I’m for Obama. I like being for someone finally
By Myrtle June on Mar 9, 2008 9:50 pm |
sharonlee said
Not at all. I rather like that idea!
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 9:52 pm |
Myrtle June said
i followed the same path, but started with kucinich before edwards.
By jo6pac on Mar 9, 2008 10:15 pm |
I’m guessing but like myself everyone is a boomer. It’s up to us beacause the little one are confused.
By burnspbesq on Mar 9, 2008 10:19 pm |
Tucker? Out?
Que lassssssssssssssssstima!
By Betsy on Mar 9, 2008 10:23 pm |
i am younger than the boomers
By newdealfarmgrrrlll on Mar 9, 2008 10:32 pm |
just got off the phone after a long conversation with a girlfriend, she’s backed off politics, is totally disgusted by the whole show. And she has gone from being a big Hillary supporter to saying “I am SICK of both clintons, i am disgusted with them!” I was rather stunned to hear my usually laid-back friend be so vehement.
I like Obama, what finally moved me into his camp was the overwhelming enthusiasm he has generated among the youth. My jr-in-college daughter and all her friends are caught up in politics, involved, volunteering, asking me the occasional wonky question (”we thought you’d know mom, cuz you read all that heavy duty stuff on the blogs”). It’s darn inspiring.
By TRex on Mar 9, 2008 10:32 pm |
Fresh thread:
http://www.iamtrex.com/?p=480
By Tengrain on Mar 9, 2008 11:53 pm |
What’s really interesting to me is that a simple typo in Mr. Carlson’s name can also give you a summary of his career.
Regards,
Tengrain
By pellora hussein on Mar 10, 2008 1:50 am |
GordonM said
Can USA extradite from Paraguay?
By pellora hussein on Mar 10, 2008 2:10 am |
GordonM said
Could that be the Repugs gaming the system then? I’ve heard tell, but not sure if anyone really knows.
Very good thread, BTW. I am learning a lot
By pellora hussein on Mar 10, 2008 2:14 am |
oop.
Going up the ladder now. I’m trying to catch up!
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