What Do You Think?

November 17th, 2008 by TRex @ 9:49 pm| Posted in Hillary Clinton |

I confess, I’m not exactly crazy about the idea of Hillary as Secretary of State. I’m not quite as rabidly against it as Chrissy Hitchens, but I have to confess that Hank Kissinger’s endorsement isn’t exactly the gold standard for me.

  1. 30 Responses to “What Do You Think?”

  2. By Petedownunder on Nov 17, 2008 9:58 pm |

    I must confess I can not see what possible qualifications she brings to this job. While I am no fan of HRC I am not a Hil Hater either, but she comes with about 100 kg of excess baggage in the form of Big Dog, and that baggage will not fit in the overhead bin. There are many qualified people with demonstrated diplomatic skills surely any of those would be a better choice.

    Give HRC some plum job with plenty of prestige but that does not actually involving governing. They love Bill here, how about Ambassador to Australia or even the UK?

  3. By punaise on Nov 17, 2008 9:58 pm |

    I am uncharacteristically equivocal about this. HRC merits a high-level administration position (or Supreme Court appt.?), just not sure SoS is the right gig for her.

  4. By sharonlee on Nov 17, 2008 10:03 pm |

    I want her to stay in the Senate and work for effective legislation.
    And I don’t always go by endorsements by others. That may mean that if someone I don’t respect likes someone, I shouldn’t, although I might.

  5. By TRex on Nov 17, 2008 10:21 pm |

    punaise said

    I am uncharacteristically equivocal about this. HRC merits a high-level administration position (or Supreme Court appt.?), just not sure SoS is the right gig for her.

    I absolutely positively DO NOT think that Hillary belongs on the Supreme Court any more than Harriet Miers did. Has she ever been a judge in any court anywhere?

  6. By punaise on Nov 17, 2008 10:23 pm |

    TRex said

    punaise said

    I am uncharacteristically equivocal about this. HRC merits a high-level administration position (or Supreme Court appt.?), just not sure SoS is the right gig for her.

    I absolutely positively DO NOT think that Hillary belongs on the Supreme Court any more than Harriet Miers did. Has she ever been a judge in any court anywhere?

    It would almost be worth it just to see/hear wingnuts’ heads explode.

  7. By litbrit on Nov 17, 2008 10:41 pm |

    Yeah, I’m with you, T: not sure on this one, not just yet.

    I can’t really see too much upside OR downside–though I think it’s going to be tough to get Bill a clean vetting, given all his foreign buddies and interesting entanglements. It’s also going to be interesting to see if Bill can keep his sticky little fingers off the levers of power, you know?

    Supreme Court? Definitely not. That’s a non-political position and it belongs to someone who is the epitome of a judge, with the attendant mentality, objectivity, fairness, and general worldview of a judge, not a politician.

  8. By Petedownunder on Nov 17, 2008 11:13 pm |

    TRex said

    punaise said

    I am uncharacteristically equivocal about this. HRC merits a high-level administration position (or Supreme Court appt.?), just not sure SoS is the right gig for her.

    I absolutely positively DO NOT think that Hillary belongs on the Supreme Court any more than Harriet Miers did. Has she ever been a judge in any court anywhere?

    TRex -

    It is only in the last few decades that we have drawn SCOTUS justices only from the ranks of sitting judges, and the fact that HRC has not sat as a judge does not trouble me. For example Abe Fortas was never a judge, but argued Gideon vs Wainwright (the right to counsel case) before the Supreme Court. My concern would be her lack of other apparent legal skills, particularly with reference to constitutional law, in which field she has no visible experience.

    A lawyer with proven experience in Con law (eg Pres-Elect Obama if not otherwise employed)would be an acceptable choice even if he or she never warmed a bench.

  9. By Valley Girl on Nov 17, 2008 11:31 pm |

    I have to confess that I am totally conflicted about this possible choice.

    On one hand, it does appear that Hil is very smart, does her homework, works hard. And, in the SoS position, “international image” does matter. BTW, I would have never ever voted for her as Commander in Chief.

    On the other hand, given her pro-war votes, I wonder if she could be an honest broker, especially in the Middle East. And, as litbrit points out there is the hubby baggage.

    Not a particularly helpful comment on my part, I know- but I am conflicted.

  10. By DrDick on Nov 17, 2008 11:44 pm |

    Initially, I thought she would be fine, if a bit hawkish. Also thought she would be more useful in the Senate. Kissinger’s endorsement is causing me second thoughts. Anybody Dr. K likes is by definition suspect.

  11. By DrDick on Nov 17, 2008 11:47 pm |

    Valley Girl said

    I have to confess that I am totally conflicted about this possible choice.

    On one hand, it does appear that Hil is very smart, does her homework, works hard. And, in the SoS position, “international image” does matter. BTW, I would have never ever voted for her as Commander in Chief.

    On the other hand, given her pro-war votes, I wonder if she could be an honest broker, especially in the Middle East. And, as litbrit points out there is the hubby baggage.

    Not a particularly helpful comment on my part, I know- but I am conflicted.

    I never had any serious reservations about her capability to fulfill all the responsibilities as president (though I am not a fan). What I did not like (and still don’t) is her rather hawkish views on foreign policy.

  12. By Valley Girl on Nov 18, 2008 12:04 am |

    DrDick said

    Valley Girl said

    I have to confess that I am totally conflicted about this possible choice.

    On one hand, it does appear that Hil is very smart, does her homework, works hard. And, in the SoS position, “international image” does matter. BTW, I would have never ever voted for her as Commander in Chief.

    On the other hand, given her pro-war votes, I wonder if she could be an honest broker, especially in the Middle East. And, as litbrit points out there is the hubby baggage.

    Not a particularly helpful comment on my part, I know- but I am conflicted.

    I never had any serious reservations about her capability to fulfill all the responsibilities as president (though I am not a fan). What I did not like (and still don’t) is her rather hawkish views on foreign policy.

    Yes, agreed. And that is the main reason why I did not want to see her as CIC/ President. As SoS, she would be doing Obama’s bidding. And, he was not my favorite candidate either.

    The hawkish views on foreign policy trouble me greatly, and I am not exactly reassured by some of Obama’s prior votes, or non votes. And, endorsement by Kissinger, uh, not so good.

    I have to face facts- I am out of step with the mainstream official Dem party “vision”. Pisses me off to no end.

  13. By TRex on Nov 18, 2008 12:25 am |

    Of course, you have to ask yourself if she made the pro-Iraq War vote because she really wanted to or if she thought it was something she had to do if she ever wanted to run for President, you know, to avoid being labeled as a girlie Democrat peacenik.

    Just a thought.

  14. By Petedownunder on Nov 18, 2008 12:57 am |

    TRex said

    Of course, you have to ask yourself if she made the pro-Iraq War vote because she really wanted to or if she thought it was something she had to do if she ever wanted to run for President, you know, to avoid being labeled as a girlie Democrat peacenik.

    Just a thought.

    I don’t buy that. When that vote was made 2008 was 5 years away and anyone with an IQ above that of lichen knew Iraq was going to be a disaster. Her courage in rejecting the vote would have trumped everything else, particularly given the inevitable course of that war.

  15. By burnspbesq on Nov 18, 2008 1:22 am |

    punaise said

    TRex said

    punaise said

    I am uncharacteristically equivocal about this. HRC merits a high-level administration position (or Supreme Court appt.?), just not sure SoS is the right gig for her.

    I absolutely positively DO NOT think that Hillary belongs on the Supreme Court any more than Harriet Miers did. Has she ever been a judge in any court anywhere?

    It would almost be worth it just to see/hear wingnuts’ heads explode.

    Earl Warren had never been a judge before he went on the Supreme Court, and there are those who will tell you that that didn’t work out all that badly.

  16. By burnspbesq on Nov 18, 2008 1:29 am |

    Pure baseless speculation on my part, but what if the Obama transition team had already done a pro forma vetting of the Big Dog, based only on publicly available information, and concluded that he could never pass muster? Wouldn’t that put the last six days of Kabuki in a whole new light?

  17. By e.c. on Nov 18, 2008 1:50 am |

    TRex said

    Of course, you have to ask yourself if she made the pro-Iraq War vote because she really wanted to or if she thought it was something she had to do if she ever wanted to run for President, you know, to avoid being labeled as a girlie Democrat peacenik.

    Just a thought.

    i agree, i don’t really know if we can judge her by her senate record since that was all calculated to bolster her cred to run for president. i also don’t know if i think of bill as “baggage” so much as a potentially handy asset she can exploit, especially in parts of the world where they still aren’t entirely receptive to women of authority.

  18. By Shell on Nov 18, 2008 2:31 am |

    Maybe I am just too hopeful, but I would put Barack up against Henri Kissinger any day. (And forget Chrissie — he is a drunk.)

    Look how he handled the Clintons during the primary. I say he trumps the Clintons. But it DID tickle me to see clips of Bill saying “Hillary campaigned a LOT for Barack. I DID, TOO!” No-you-didn’t. He was pouting like a spoiled child over Barack’s comment about something or other. He simply cannot give up the spotlight. HE wants to be the everlasting Democratic STAR! The older I get, the mother in me sees the babyishness in so many politicians!

  19. By punaise on Nov 18, 2008 2:51 am |

    then again, there’s this from Al Giordano:

    punaise said

    There are many annoying aspects of the noise machine that is blaring that arrogant and cacophonous yet familiar mantra: “Clinton is inevitable.”

    We heard it for all of 2007 when they told us that Senator Clinton was the inevitable Democratic nominee for president.

    And we’re hearing it all over again regarding that same Senator Clinton and the position of Secretary of State. “It’s a done deal. It’s inevitable. He’s already offered it. She’s already taken it.”

    I say to you now as I told you and so many others then: It is not inevitable.
    …

  20. By Mr Bill on Nov 18, 2008 6:56 am |

    I really hope Al Giordano is right: this just choice doesn’t really make sense, except as the ‘team of rivals’ (Damn you, Doris K. Goodwin!) and the ‘keep your enemies closer’ thing. And the bloodstained blessing of Henry Kissinger should be a deal breaker..
    Mrs. Clinton has been a decent, if somewhat conservative, Senator from NY. I don’t see Secretary of State as a step up as much as a step away from power.

  21. By TRex on Nov 18, 2008 12:34 pm |

    Fresh thread:

    http://www.iamtrex.com/?p=1993

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